If you’ve been diagnosed with osteoporosis or osteopenia, it is more than likely that your doctor prescribed an osteoporosis drug such as Fosamax followed by the proverbial calcium recommendation.
That’s exactly what happened to me after I was diagnosed with osteoporosis. My doctor also advised me to “drink plenty of milk”. Luckily, I did not follow his flawed advice and instead, I embarked on my own quest to conquer osteoporosis which culminated in the Save Our Bones Program.
Today, I want to share with you yet another piece of valuable information about a little-known bone health gem. It is vitamin K, best known for its blood clotting functions. In fact, vitamin K gets its name from the first letter of the German word “koagulation.”
If you are taking anticoagulant drugs, your doctor will most probably let you know that vitamin K counteracts the intended effects of your prescription and that you need to discuss with him or her your vitamin K intake. Otherwise, vitamin K is widely ignored by mainstream medicine, even though it is essential to your bone-building capacity.
Vitamin K helps your bones
Vitamin K is related to osteocalcin, also called bone Gla protein, which is a calcium-binding protein synthesized by osteoblasts or bone-building cells. It also works synergistically with vitamin D to regulate the production of osteoclasts, cells that remove old bone so that new bone can be deposited in its place.
In Chapter 3 of the Save Our Bones Program I write that bones are made up of 65% mineralized collagen and 35% collagen matrix made of minerals and other nutrients. The most prevalent mineral in bones is calcium. The calcium-binding capacity of osteocalcin is activated when it is chemically altered through a vitamin K-dependent process known as carboxylation.
Bone health benefits of Vitamin K stun researchers
Many scientific studies confirm Vitamin K’s positive effects on bone-building processes. One good example is an article published in the European Journal of Pharmacology by Akiyama and team. The researchers actually identified a process where a form of vitamin K2, a menaquinone known as MK-4, inhibits the formation of osteoclasts (Effect of vitamin K2 [menatetrenone] on osteoclast-like cell formation in mouse bone marrow cultures. 1994).
Interestingly, bisphosphonate drugs attempt to perform a similar function, but fail miserably at matching the well-coordinated performance of vitamin K. Because bisphosphonate drugs damage and distort osteoclasts, while vitamin K helps coordinate the right amount of osteoclast production with other bone cells so as to achieve the appropriate balance.
You see, bisphosphonates are synthetic drugs deprived of a biological role in bone metabolism unlike vitamins and other natural elements. How sad that this crucial distinction is ignored by mainstream medicine!
Another study on vitamin K and fracture prevention had such unexpected positive results that even its lead author, Dr. Angela Cheung, touted it “surprising”. (Vitamin K Supplementation in Postmenopausal Women with Osteopenia [ECKO Trial]: A Randomized Controlled Trial. 2008). Published in the journal PLoS Medicine, the study involved 440 postmenopausal women diagnosed with osteopenia.
Half of the participants were given a vitamin K1 supplement and the other half took a placebo for two years, with 261 continuing for two more years. While bone density scans showed equal bone loss in both groups, over the four year study period more than double the women who took the placebo suffered fractures compared to the group that took the vitamin K. But unfortunately…
Mainstream medicine is curiously skeptical of vitamin K’s bone health benefits
Typical of the complete disregard for natural health solutions in mainstream medicine and despite her excellent study results, Dr. Cheung is skeptical. She writes that it is “premature” to recommend vitamin K to osteoporosis patients. And Dr. Roberto Pacifici, director of the division of endocrinology at Emory University in Atlanta, commented on the same study in a WebMD interview that he was unimpressed with the results and that “people should not go out and buy vitamin K because of this study.” But why not? Especially since…
A myriad of other scientific studies also support the use of vitamin K for bone health
It seems that most doctors have conveniently forgotten about the Nurses’ Health Study that followed 72,327 registered nurses for ten years. This is one of the largest research projects showing that nurses with the lowest vitamin K intake had a 30% higher risk of hip fracture than those with the highest vitamin K intake (Feskanich D. et al. “Vitamin K intake and hip fractures in women: a prospective study”. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 1999). The median vitamin K consumption for this study was 169 micrograms per day, all derived from foods sources rather than from supplements. Diane Feskanich writes that this “…suggests the need for a higher vitamin K requirement than the current recommended dietary allowance…”
Just because doctors turn their back on such an excellent bone health vitamin, it doesn’t mean that you should too. So am giving you the…
Best sources of Vitamin K
All varieties of vitamin K are fat-soluble and belong to a chemical category called naphthoquinones, but there are two basic types of vitamin K. Phylloquinones, or vitamin K1 which is made by plants and menaquinones or vitamin K2 synthesized by intestinal bacteria.
Unlike vitamin K1, vitamin K2 does not concentrate in the liver. The body stores only limited amounts of vitamin K in the liver, so it is important to have enough bio-available K2 in the body.
The richest dietary sources of K1 are green leafy vegetables, such as spinach, Brussels sprouts, green beans, asparagus, and broccoli. Green peas, romaine lettuce, and bell peppers are some of the less concentrated but still very good sources of this vitamin. Even spices such as fresh parsley, oregano, thyme, basil, black and cayenne pepper are rich in vitamin K1.
Even though it is fat-soluble, there is no documented toxicity with high doses of vitamin K, with the exception of synthetic K3 or menadione, which I do not recommend.
The Adequate Intake (AI) for vitamin K for adult women is 90 micrograms and 120 micrograms for men. To give you an idea of what a low level this is, one cup of boiled spinach has 889 micrograms of vitamin K1.
If you are following the Save Our Bones Program it is really easy for you to get enough vitamin K1. However, for maximum bone-building benefits I recommend you add a K2 supplement to your dietary intake.
The best natural source of vitamin K2 is derived from fermenting a unique form of soy known in Japan as natto. One capsule a day of this vitamin K2 has 50 micrograms, and it is best absorbed when taken with food. If you are on anticoagulant medication, it doesn’t necessarily mean that you won’t be able to supplement vitamin K, but you should consult with your doctor.
Are you already taking a vitamin K supplement? Will you start now? Share your thoughts with us by leaving a comment below.
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July 26, 2010
Hi! Vivian,
I Already Eat A Lot Of Foods With Vitamin K In Them.So Hopefully That’s A Good Start. I Also Think You Should Let Your Doctor Know Before You Start A Vitamin K Supplement Program. And Even Though They May Not Agree With You They Should Respect Your Decision To Try It, And Then Have You Take A Density Test To See If It Helped.
Thank You Again VERY MUCH For ALL YOUR GREAT ADVICE.
LOVE,
MS. L.
June 16, 2010
I have osteoporosis and I have been taking Vit K for years along with most of the other supplements you recommend in your book — and I have had 4 very bad falls — and not had any broken bones. Of course I don’t like falling and I am very careful now. But I read that Vit D with all the positives it has — also is very good for giving older people better balance and it sure has with me. I feel much younger because I have
become a lot more stable on my feet and I’m turning 75 this month!
Also, I love your book. Thanks!
June 13, 2010
Hi Vivienne,
I take CVS Calcium Chews with Vitamin K 40 mcg daily. I thought spinach had oxalic acid in it which blocked calcium absorption. Thanks.
Liz
June 24, 2010
I am taking spinach two times in a week for the last 3-4yrs. and thankfully no fall no fractures although I am diagonsed with osteoporosis.
Sarla
July 5, 2010
Spinach and brocolli also suppress the thryroid. I do not deliberately eat spinach. If I get it in the bags of mixed salad greens, that is the only amount I eat. It seems eating has to be very calculated the more we learn about foods. ugh!
July 13, 2010
Raw spinach has Calcium Oxalate that is denatured therefore split when cooked – thus the “fuzzy” sensation that you feel when eating cooked spinach verses Raw. To really get a boost one may try drinking a raw juice combo of Spinach/carrot. I have done this at the rate of 16 ounces of spinach w/ carrot for a total of 32 oz/day and many days 2 quarts of this mixture. Ina addition to the Vitamin K and Calcium benefit each 32 ounce portion is some 20+ grams of protein!!
Thanks for the info on the K1. I was guided to began administering K1 to my small animal patients over a year ago and other than the guidance and the enhancement in general metabolism I knew that there was a greater benefit. Namaste’
DrRogerValentine.com
June 10, 2010
I have taken coumadin since 1998, and have had to avoid multivitamins with 25% Vit. k. I do eat green veggies and usually can compensate the dosage of the warfarin when I know that I have eaten more than I should have. Everything reacts with coumadin and it is difficult to work all of this out without really paying attention. Once in a while my blood is too thin, but for the most part is stays in the area desired.
Aging, is not for sissies.
June 3, 2010
I have osteoporosis an I am only 58. The drs have no idea why I do as I have been tested for a casue and there is no reason for it..they said must be a throw back genetic thing. Of course no one I know or my family knows has had a problem with any disease. Long and healthy life should be my genetics…not osteoporsis. I tried taking the vitamin K as you suggested and after a few weeks my varicose veins were intolerable. What made that happen??
June 6, 2010
Osteoporosis is common with people who have Celiac Disease. I know as I was diagnosed at age 43 with Osteoporosis. A three panel blood can help determine if this might be the root cause. All the best GP
June 1, 2010
In my powder milk “Ensure”, I get the Vitamine k1, I get the Vitamine k2 from our community source – soft boiled egg.
Thank you very much, you always look afer us.
May 31, 2010
Dear Vivian, I am doing all I can to improve my bone health and following all your advice. But I am worried by a website I have just read about CODEX ALIMENTARIUS,as it seems they are wanting to ban our vitamins and supplemants and promote taking the dreaded drugs.Irene (UK)
May 30, 2010
Yes I am a great believer in Vitimin K and it is help me enormaousley as I keep snapping my musseles at the chest level, for no reason at all. sinse taking vitamin K carefully belended with other plant based vitimins, I have not had any problem at all about snapping my mussels. I have however a lot to learn, and your information is invaluable thank you very much.
May 25, 2010
Vivian,
Thank you very much for sharing the sources of vitamin K with us. I appreicted.
Susan
May 10, 2010
Vivian: Thanks for Help me, you are very nice Lady,Sincer4ely
Maria J. Mckenney
May 8, 2010
I started taking a “bone building” vitamin complex a few years ago. My husband and I were taking a weight training class at our local junior college. It involved some aerobic activity as a warm up before the weight training. One day I started having chest pains and had to ask my husband to take me home. The only change I had made was the vitamin complex. I checked the ingredients. The only one with which I was not familiar and which had not been included in any other supplement that I had taken was Vitamin K. I found a description of Vitamin K’s effects — aha!! helps the blood to clot. Since we eat a lot of green leafy vegetables, broccoli, salads, etc., I concluded that I was probably getting too much Vitamin K. I stopped the complex with Vitamin K. Meanwhile, my doctor had made an appointment for me with a cardiologist for a stress test. The test was two weeks after I stopped the Vitamin K. The cardiologist finally stopped the stress test and was very irritated that it had been ordered because I obviously had no problems. So it is possible to get too much Vitamin K by taking it in supplement form.
May 4, 2010
I JUST HAD A TOE SURGERY, SO I NOW NEED TO WATCH OUT FOR MY BONES. SO MOST DEFFINETLY I WILL START THIS VITAMIN. I’M 53 YEARS OLD AND IT SEEMS THAT OSTEOPOROSIS RUNS IN MY FAMILY. MY MOTHER HAS IT & SO DOES MY AUNT. SO I’LL BE TELLING THEM ABOUT THIS VITAMIN. THANKS FOR THE INFO!!!
April 26, 2010
I am 75 yrs. old and have been on Plavix for 3 yrs., mainly because of angina. My doctor does not recommend any type of Vitamin K for me.
April 24, 2010
I have taken a product called BONE-UP, made by a company called Jarrow, for the last 2 years. It is a calcium formula to promote bone density. In the last year they have added Potassium Citrate & MK-7. I take six capsules per day after meals. Have you heard of this supplement and if so what do you think of it.
I purchase this only in a Health Food Store,namely Whole Foods.
Thank you Vivian for all you do.
Clancy
May 14, 2010
I also take Bone Up but was told by a midwife I saw after my bone density t hat I should take 2000mg a day of calcium. If you look at the mg. on the bottle of Bone Up 6 capsules only have 1,000 mg. per serving therefore the proper dosage for osteopino or osteoarthritis would be 12 capsules per day.
April 23, 2010
Vivian, I have been taking vitamin K2 since you recommended it.
Thank you very much.
April 23, 2010
Thanks again for great information Vivian – I have plenty of raw spinach daily – and when I get my hands on the GREEN COOKING BANANAS again that should take care of the intestinal flora too!! I have been a bit slack in exercising lately – and must get back into the swing of it. I feel good – my nails are not splitting and breaking anymore – so I assume that they would “window” what my bones are doing??? Blessings, Kelsey, TOWNSVILLE, QUEENSLAND. AUSTRALIA.
April 22, 2010
I look forward to all the info and research you do. I read with a lot interest in the vitamin K. I am a vegan and take a lot of vitamins. Yes B12. still looking for one I like, Powder form, spray, sublingual.
Do you think one should also take L-Lysine? I have read it helps!
bula Mt
April 22, 2010
I want to hear more! I have severe osteoporosis
April 21, 2010
Dear Vivian: Thank you for allowing me to print out your article on vitamins K1 and K2. I do not take any vitamins, try to eat healthy foods, but have a little osteopenia since about 6 months. I am very impressed with your comments and research and think your articles make a lot of sense. I would buy your book and program but am not able to print out all your e-mail articles since my printer holds only a limited amount of paper and I spend little time on the computer, since I am too busy. Have asked the people who answered my phone calls if they could print out your articles and send them to me, if I subscribe to your book and program. They told me they could not.
I have told some of my friends about your website since bone diseases are one of the most common among seniors. I am 85 years old, work full time, and now go to physical therapy twice a week to see if it will help my pain.
If your articles could be printed out and sent to me it would be a great help. I would then buy your book and what goes with it.
Thank you again and best regards,
Inge
April 19, 2010
I am so engrossed with all the info.
I am so greatly thankful for sharing with us all about the natural way of combating osteoporosis.
April 15, 2010
I took Fosamax for 3 1/2 years and it effected my bottom jaw–read more here
http://fosamaxsideeffects.com/
May 4, 2010
WOW THANKS FOR THE INFO I PRAY THAT YOU WILL GET BETTER. I WILL INFORM THOSE I KNOW OF THIS RESULT. MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS! MY NAME IS LOURDES JIMENEZ.
April 15, 2010
I took Fosamax for 3 1/2 years and it effected my bottom jaw–also read here
http://fosamaxsideeffects.com/
April 12, 2010
Hello, I am new to the community and looking forward to saving my bones!
I’ve been taking vitamin K for 3 years in a product called Barley Life. Its so fantastic! I love it so much, I sell it now. I want all of my friends to know.
I haven’t been sick since I started taking it.
Esther In TX
April 7, 2010
finding it all very interesting. Still hesitant about the programme as I don’t have any obvious side effects.
May 4, 2010
I’M SO GLAD TO HEAR THAT YOU DON’T HAVE ANY SIDE EFFECTS. BUT IN THE LONG RUN IN MANY FOLKS IT DOES TAKE AWHILE FOR THE SIDE EFFECT TO HIT. BUT TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH IT WOULDN’T HURT TO START WITH THE VITIAMINS MENTIONED IN VIVIAN’S REPORTS. I’M SO GREATFUL TO HER AND THE FACT THAT SHE KEEPS SENDING MORE, AND MORE GREAT INFORMATION. MY NAME IS LOURDES JIMENEZ AND THOUGH I DON’T HAVE THE ILLNESS IT DOES RUN IN MY FAMILY. SO I’M TAKING THE ADVICE FROM SOMEONE WHO’S BEEN THERE. I PRAY YOU DO GET WELL AND THAT YOU WON’T HAVE ANY SIDE EFFECTS. MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS!!
April 2, 2010
I have taken vitamin K2 50 mcg ( not the natto form for years but still had low bone density last BMD test.
I am now trying the Natto form 100 mcg and the
Save Our Bones program as best I can. I have read conflicting info about acidic foods from another online doctor’s health letter. Namely tomatoes and oranges being acidic rather than alkaline as in your program. Please clear this up for me !!.
April 2, 2010
I am interested in vit K but cannot eat salad or green vegetables as I feel sick as soon as they are in my mouth. Is there any other way to get vit K? if not what supplements could I take?
April 12, 2010
I take a product called Barley Life, which has been said, is the equivalent of eating your green veggies! I posted earlier, that I love this product so much I began selling it.
Happy to help.
May 14, 2010
Some of the Bone Density supplements already have the Vitamin K incorporated into the formula such as Bone Density and Bone Maximizer
April 1, 2010
Thank you soooo much for this most fascinating information! I was diagnosed with osteoporosis after my T9 crumbled whilst trampolening a year ago (ouch!) and I took alondronic acid for a year (without any change to my spine but surprisingly an increase in my hip density, which flummoxed my consultant as he said this bone was of a different nature) (I also take walk extensively, take calcium with vit d and do regular reiki and energy work on my bones) After a year I stopped the medication because of chronic heartburn, which is when I found your site. However, I have been taking anticoagulants since I was 30 (I am now 56) and asked my consultant if this fact may have effected my bone health by depleting it of vit k. He stated categorically that this was not the case. (I have a metal heart valve and take 6mg of warfarin daily) I’m sorry this is a bit long winded but I can’t help but feel taking anticoagulants may have contributed to my osteoporis? I realise you may not be able to answer this personally unless I get 10 hearts(LOL!) but thank you so much Vivien for allowing me to share!
March 30, 2010
I had no idea I was eating Vitamin K1 with my spinach, I just love the stuff. And thyme too, I put that on everything. I usually test my alkalinity with http://www.phteststrip.net as well
March 29, 2010
Hi all,
Regarding Grapfruit (I love it) – doesn’t it interfere with Cholesterol drugs (simvastatin)?
Thanks,
Elaine
March 31, 2010
Yes – key drugs which grapefruit juice should not be consumed in a unsupervised manner include :-
HMG-COA reductase inhibitors (statins – such as simvastin),
Immunosuppressants (ciclosporin, tacrolimus)
Psychiatric meds (diazepam, midazoleam, buspirone)
Calcium channel blockers ( felodipine, nimodipine, pranidipine).
If you are on any of the above meds, my advise is to chat with your G.P. first.
March 17, 2010
i was reading on the k2 i have been diganosed with osteo about 10 years now and my bone specialist put me on fasovance but for about 2yrs she has taken me off all supplements so i take daily 4 healthy bone factor which i get in each pill30mcg of kitamin kmenaquinone and calcium i get 156.25mg of hydroxyapatite so should i take a separate vitamin of vitamin k2 what do you recommend thanks grace
April 12, 2010
I can’t help but continuing to talk about Barley Life which is a product I take and sell. Haven’t been sick in years
Happy to help.
Esther in TX
March 15, 2010
I was diagonised with oestoporosis and the doctor prescribed Actonel, along with 500 mg. of Calcium and 1000 iu of Vitamin D. I asked him about side effects and he smiled and said “none”. This is the best medicine on the market. That sly smile did not sit well with me. So I started looking on the internet for Actonel and I found your website and requested a copy. I am glad I did. I also went to my family doctor and asked him to look at the report. The family doctor said there were definitely side effects and if I did not feel comfortable not to take it. Just to take Calcium and vitamin D. Though I had the prescription filled, it is sitting in a drawer. I will never take it. I would like to purchase the set of books that you are giving away free, can you please tell me how to obtain them. It is very important to me. Thanks. A reply URGENTLY would be greatly appreciated.
March 13, 2010
I have heard that Vitamin K would not be good for me..I have Polycystic Liver & Kidney disease – taking immunosupprsent drugs -had a kidney transplant 3 years ago- on fosamax – have osteoporosi & osteopenia. have a lot of upper leg, lower back & hip pain..I’m interested in this program and researching all of the interesting articles about what foods to eat and not to eat and want to build my bones naturally. The medicine I’m on hinders my bones but saves my new kidney. please advise on some of the vitamins
March 11, 2010
I had my first discussion with my doctor about not taking the Osteo meds this past Monday. He listened to me and is willing to let me do things my way for a year, and do another scan in a year to see how I am doing. That same night on the ABC news the report came out on the osteo meds, the breaking of this news made shout for joy. Vivian you said it in your book about Mercks legal woes, and that they have put aside $48 million for a defense fund. Looks like they are going to need it.
Thank you Vivian for all the information you have given us and please don’t stop. I am following all the suggestions you have given. I am determined to improve my bone density so when I have my next scan it will show. If it doesn’t I will continue the program anyway, it just may take me longer, to improve.
March 13, 2010
when did you start the saving bones program?
March 10, 2010
Dear Vivian,
I am so pleased to read of your program and I’m glad you have the courage to buck mainstream medicine in the treatment of our bone health.
I discovered natto a couple of years ago, but something about it doesn’t work for me. Supplements of Vitamin K-2 based on natto extracts leave me feeling tired and sick. They don’t energy test well for me, either. Fortunately, I greatly desired to find a compatible Vitamin K-2 supplement. I found a national brand of Vitamin K-2 that is synthesized menaquinone, and it agrees with me and energy-tests well for me. I will be having a bone density test done soon at my doctor’s request.
Also, I agree with you about pasteurized milk products being acid-forming in the body; however, I have just recently become aware of teh value of food made by the process of fermentation, including kefir and hard cheese made from raw milk. Are you familiar with the book Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon? There is much in the book that is consistent with your research and your findings and your teaching. There may be some information in this book that will be of further help to your patients. Sally Fallon continues the tradition of Weston Price. The main idea is that traditional foods eaten by earlier populations around the world kept them healthier than we are with all our modern medicine! All of these populations had some sort of fermented food, which added probiotics to the people’s diets and made them healthy. The probiotics caused manufacture of vitamins in the gut, aiding the immune system and aiding in digestion.
I agree with you 100% that the medicines touted for preventing and treating “osteoporosis” are very harmful.
Thanks for your great work!
Kay
March 8, 2010
I will try taking Vitamin K soon. ABC World News did a report on Fosomax stating many women taking it suffered femur fractures it was a side effect that FDA kept hidden from MDs and public. Stating it helps initially but after years of taking inhibits the bones natural ability to strengthen. They probably all carry the same risk. I need more help with the plan–how to incorporate more alkaline less acidic foods into a meal.
March 8, 2010
Thank you for this interesting Blog. it is wonderful news about the banana, as well as the vitamin K. Speaking of Vit. K, I take a supplement called Stem Enhance. This is relatively new to the supplement line, however is just sold through distributors of which I am one.
Please check out my website and I pray that you will be as excited about it as I am. I have been on it for over a year and have had some wonderful results as have thousands!
http://www.stemtechbiz.ca ID# 5600530
The headquarters are in California, and I am in Canada and we have a distribution center In B.c.
To Our Health, Esther
March 6, 2010
Yes…I have been taking MK-7 for some time now. Can you tell me the ebnefits of that to the bones? Also I was told by Eidon Industries ( organic bioavailable minerals) that SILICONE is the MORE IMPORTANT THAN CALCIUM for the bones! Also…that we humans often get TOO MUCH CALCIUM…which can be harmful. I haven’t had abone density test yet but will soon. I am in my late 50′s. Mom had severe osteoporosis. However…..I am a health nut….eat lots an dlots of greens..love them….and run 2.5 miles every morning. I hope all of that helps somewhat.
March 5, 2010
Hi Vivian,
Thank you for the above information. I really learn a lot through your letters. Even though I have heard about the problems with cans – to see your info in such detail is more informative. Thanks for the Vit K info. I really do listen to you. Thanks
mary jean
March 4, 2010
Yes Vivian, thank you so much for your studied information. And I shall be taking Vit. K2, provided it is available here. Probably is.
I’m a great believer in having lots of greens . Also, reading today’s info regaarding Kellogs Smart stuff, I’m so glad I never touch it, or have any of those products in the house. to start with, the list is far too long – that always makes me suspicious. It looks as tho, we also should be looking out for gravy mixes etc, after reading about enriched flours – which I don’t use anyhow. Thank you for all your advice. June
February 25, 2010
I use Shaklee for adults 50+ a high potency multivitamin & multimineral Vita-Lea Gold. Vitamin K Formula 1,000 IU. Is there some kind better?
February 26, 2010
GREAT ARTICLE at http://westonaprice.org
article On the Trail of the Elusive X-factor
(about Vit K) other side bar articles of interest
“the myth about soy” NOte: there is a difference between soy and fermented soy!
thank you Vivian for keeping us informed and making us more aware of our own health
February 22, 2010
Thanks for info. will look into it.
February 17, 2010
I am now taking Vitamin K. Pretty soon I’ll just be one big vitamin and I won’t be able to die even if I want to.
I get sick just hearing the word ACTONEL or FOSAMAX. They should be banned. I got so sick from the Actonel and then had a paralyzed throat for about 1-1/2 hours from Fosamax not to mention that I couldn’t move my head.
I take Calcium, Vitamin D, and Vitamin K not to mention a few other I take for my diabetes.
Thank you vivian for the info. Makes me feel like I’m not alone in this depressing world of Osteoporosis.
Take care and God Bless.
February 15, 2010
having had horrible effects from fosomax, and actinol my doctor suggested I try strontium. Can you advise. I am 80 years old and try to stay on your suggested food program which has helped me with gerd and a hiatal hernia. Thank you for your reply.
February 25, 2010
What did you find out about strontium?
February 14, 2010
I am wondering what your opinion is regarding the use and dosage of strontium citrate for building bone density. Do you feel it is safe to take and if so for how long?
February 25, 2010
I am researching strontium for my 95 year young mother now. So I am very interested in your reply to this question.
I have just ordered your down-load and will review before ordering your book.
Thanks in advance for your answer.
February 14, 2010
Hi Vivian,
I have Osteoporosis & was on Actonel for many years. About a year ago I had such pain in my jaw & decided to stop taking it. This last Fall I went to a Female Doctor who specializes in Osteoporosis & she recommended I take Evista because it helps to rebuild bones.
April 26, 2010
I took Evista for about a year, with no apparent side effects. My doctor told me there was no improvement in bone density, so I stopped taking it.
February 14, 2010
Vivian,
In the recipe above you state lemon RIND, is that true or do you mean lemon zest? The rind is bitter that’s why I am asking. Also I want to let you know I am enjoying your newsletter. I find it fascinating and very educational. Bravo for you that you took on this challenge to learn the truth about bone health and are sharing it with us. THANK-YOU very much. I am learning alot.
February 14, 2010
is my first thinking to occur about K1 or K2 affects on osteroporosis; I’ll be checking what I take and ask for k2 next visit i make to a store. thanks. kenneth
February 11, 2010
Have others added vitamin k to their daily supplements?
May 14, 2010
Bone Density supplements and Bone Maximizer supplements have Vitamin K in there already I don’t believe if you are taking a bone density supplement you need another Vit. K supplement.
February 10, 2010
I am 55 and my doctors say my bone density scan is getting close to osteoperous I have severe digestive problems and when I tried the Boniva I thought I was having a heartatack They now want me to try the Reclast I’m to scared to try it. So if my stomach can handle vitamin K and D how much of each do I take a Day and how long will it be before I can see an improvment in my bone scan.Sincerely Leslie
February 14, 2010
You need at least 5,000 IU of Vitamin D3 a day. That is the recommended dose from the Women’s Health Institute of Texas.
February 19, 2010
try a lower dose for a few months ie weekly Actonel 35mg; then move up to the monthly dose of Actonel 150mg . Actonel does have better tolerability than Boniva and Fosomax. Should you try Reclast you will need some blood work prior to the infusion. good luck!
June 5, 2010
I took the 35 mg dose for a few months and thought I was going to have a heart attack. So beware.
February 26, 2010
do not take bone altering drugs…try the save our bones method.
February 8, 2010
I am reading your book. Am puzzled you recommending CoQ10. I read articles on it and it is not highly recommended.
Also when do I get a phone call with you, Vivian?
Thanks
Janice
February 7, 2010
Tahnk you for the information about Vit K. As a vegaterian I eat lots of greens. I have a question. I have read that spinach blocks calcium absorption because it contains oxcalic acid. Is this true?
February 4, 2010
my docotor just gave me prescription for actonel saw all the side effects and did not get it filled but trying to take vitamins and eating right and exercising thanks
February 10, 2010
My Dr. just took me off Actonel which I had been on for 2 years, saying that it has now been proven that it doesn’t work! There you go!
February 26, 2010
unbelieveable! Great that you are off Actonel it caused all kinds of digestion issues for me. I have not taken it for about 3 years. I have been doing some walking and stretching and changing my ACIDIC diet to more ALKALINE
i eat less meat less dairy
cut back on coffee once or twice a week
alcohol only on special occasion.
Cutting back on refined sugars and flours eating more apples.
January 31, 2010
Vivian, Thanks for sharing your research.I also am on this quest.
I have read, “Oxalic acid binds with calcium in the intestines limiting calcium absorption. Spinach and asparagus are among this group of foods high in oxalic acid. Kale,turnip greens and endive are high in calcium and low in oxalic acid.” Makes sense to me. What do you think?
February 1, 2010
Colleen,
Nutrition is like a balancing act… a good variety of natural foods will do the trick…
January 31, 2010
on you save our bones program can i buy some of your
supplements. I do not know what to order . i do not have the list. please e-mail me so i can buy.
thanks,
lilian
January 28, 2010
Is MK7 really better than MK4? The manufacturers have their stories.
http://www.aor.ca/assets/public/promotional/Vitamin%20K%20Explanation_Advances.pdf
January 27, 2010
dthanks for the information from you.i am 69yrs and no drugs in my body for 21 yrs. recently the doctorran that bad test and said that i needed actonel and gave me a month supply and in the garbage it goes. i do not intend to put drugs in my body. i do everything with herbs and the natural things and supplements. i see an herblist often.
January 27, 2010
Don’t bother with calcium. It is a lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prSMCxJBubQ
February 26, 2010
depends on the type of calcium – various kinds
to help your bones…do more research!
January 26, 2010
I have been taking Fosamax over 15 years and the doctor said it is not working, he wants me to take the infusion Reclast, but I am afraid of that since I have RA. I ordered your book and should get it tomorrow. I can’t wait to get started. Oh I did start D3 and I asked the doctor about K2 and his remark was K2?
Jeanne
January 25, 2010
I am on thyroid meds and soy is not good for this condition. The vitamin K supplement you mentioned is made from a form of soy.
Once a day, I take one 500 mg calcium chew fortified with Vit. D and K. My calcium level was up this past Dec. using this chew. I don’t drink much milk, maybe 1 to 2 cups per week (over cereal). I eat a well balanced diet and exercise. I am 67 years old and feel great. Bone scan two years ago showed osteopenia. I tried Actonel, two doses, and felt like I had been beat with a steel rod, all over. I told my doctor, no osteo drugs from now on. I have your book on bone health and use it for a guide.
Sincerely,
Gail
May 4, 2010
I ALSO AM ON THYROID MED. BUT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAVE HIGH ACTIVE THYROID OR LOW. I HAVE IT HIGH BUT I DO DRINK SOY MILK BUT WHEN I CAN I BUY ALMOND MILK WHICH TASTES GREAT. I PRAY YOU FEEL GREATER SOON. MY NAME IS LOURDES JIMENEZ.
January 22, 2010
Vivian, I have taken Actonel for more than 10 years, but my bone density didn’t get any better. I take calcium and D and will try K1 and 2. Thanks for all the articles
January 22, 2010
I am going to try the Vitamin K and also red grapefruit.
January 21, 2010
I read with great interest all of your articles. I have two pills of Boniva staring me in the face everyday but since reading your articles, I just can’t take it. I am traveling in the South West and have been reluctant to order your program because I didn’t know if you would deliver your program to a General Delivery address at USPS. I move around to different RV parks and don’t always know their addresses. While traveling,please tell me the best way to get your complete program. I would appreciate your advice here. Sheila Ramey skramey@gmail.com
January 20, 2010
My naturopath suggested I take 1,000 mcg’s of vitamin K per day, but my doctor requested I stop taking k at all. His concern was the blood clotting issue. Now I am unsure what to do!
January 20, 2010
Thank you Vivian for the wonderful chats and advise, I took Actonel for 3 months and I have problems with my jaw. I will start vitamin K
January 19, 2010
I took Fosamax for 7-8 years,now I have osteocronoesis.[Rotting of the jaw bone].
As a result,I no longer trust western medicine Doctors.
Better health wise by switching to everything organic and NO prescription DRUGS.
Have enjoyed your information.
January 19, 2010
The article about vitiman K was very informative, but I take plavix and i’m not sure how it would interact with it.
Betty
January 18, 2010
The information regarding Vitamin K is excellent. Thank you Vivian.
Frances
January 17, 2010
my wife has been using K-2 for maybe six months. we get it from Life Extension.. it is called Super K PRODUCT # 1224 … and contains:
K2 (AS MK-7) 100 mcg
K2 (AS MK-4) 1000 mcg
K1 1000 MCG
She had used FOSOMAX for 10 yrs and over the last 6 years had:
gained 9% in spine
lost 8% in hip
Needles to say…we stopped the bisfosfonates
and am now using
680 mg strontium….for no more than 3 years
dried plum and dried plum extract
K1 K2
more magnesium…less calcuim
HGH activators (glutatime, arginine, etc)
some exercse
25 mg DHEA
one small tube progerterone per week
she has a scan this summer…we shall see.
Ed
January 17, 2010
Hi Vivian,
I did not know that Nattokinase contained
vitamin K. My doctor recommended Natto instead
of Lovenox, which, I was advised, initiates osteoporosis. Since my anti-clotting factor 5
was shut down by an antibiotic, I don’t feel I
should try Natto.
Could you please try not to use the phrase “Blood Thinners”? There’s no such thing, the kidneys do that job for us, Coumadin, asperin, plavix, none thin anything. Coumadin shuts down vitamin K, the others just make the blood non-sticky.
January 22, 2010
I am not sure if nattokinase contains vitamin K2.
http://www.gordonresearch.com/answers/vitamin_k2_and_nattokinase.html
January 17, 2010
Thanks for a very informative article.I learnt a lot from it.
January 17, 2010
Oops, my last sentence should read:
Thank you for your excellent exercise video you PUT out some times ago.
January 17, 2010
John is on blood thinner med., so no extra K pills for him.
Besides, we ate plenty of veggies, should be sufficient.
Thank you for your excellent exercise video you out our some times ago. Very benificial!!!
Irena
January 16, 2010
Hi Vivian Do U get this vitamin from Puritan
Pride also Let me know Patricia
January 15, 2010
Vivian said to do your own research on save our bones book. I did on fluroide. I didn’t realize it was so toxic to our whole body. Thank you Vivian for all your hard work keeping us up to date on things most of us are unaware.
January 14, 2010
Hi,I have to take coumadin.I have a pacemaker.I love salads but can only eat one half a cup a day.This is about one lettuce leaf.Not much vitamin k there.
January 14, 2010
Thank you for that information, Vivian. I am on Coumadin but thank goodness the clinic where I have my blood checked every month encourages me to eat as many vegetables with Vitamin K as I wish and they will regulate my intake of Coumadin as needed. They just ask me to be consistent with the amount I consume. And so I do get quite a lot of Vitamin K in my diet.
Wilda
January 14, 2010
Oops! Seventeen years ago I had breast cancer and no~one since has ever told me to avoid soy,so I haven”t. Is it an absolute no~no? Or would the occasional indulgence be harmless? I would appreciate a reply as I currently have 8 soy yogurts and 2 packets of tofu sitting in my fridge. Advice please. Pearl
January 14, 2010
yes, I eat plenty of spinach and asparagus,
green beans and other vegetables that are
loaded with vitamin K. Thanks for the tip!
January 14, 2010
yes I take a calcium with vit.k and also eat a lot of spinach and other greens. Thanks
January 14, 2010
Yes, my doctor recommended that I take actonel.
Which I did for a period of 2 yrs. That has
caused me so many prolems, such as acid reflux,
and never did it help my bones. Yes, I will
start taking vitman K. Should I also be taking
calcium? Thank you Josie Blackford
January 14, 2010
I will now most definitely be taking Vitamin K2 supplement. I have been following the save our bones regime for several months now – a wonderful side effect is that I feel full of energy and younger!
As I live in Spain I find it hard to source good supplements, can anybody direct me to a source on line.
Thanks
Lorraine
January 14, 2010
Thank you for your advise on Vit.K. I have always eaten green vegs, broccoli, lettuce, spinach and the like but still diagnosed with osteoporosis. I shall try and eat more of the stuff as perhaps one needs more of this vitamin when they get older. I may also get supplement tabs and see what results I get. Thanks again.
Regards – Linette
January 14, 2010
Linette,
It’s always a good idea to eat lots of green veggies, but there’s more to do if you want to have strong and healthy bones
January 14, 2010
I like the idea of adding Vitamin K2 to my diet for my osteoporosis as I take nothing other than physician grade Calcium w/ Magnesium and a high dose of Vitamin D daily. My concern is if this Vitamin K2 aupplement is made from a form of soy I hesitate to take it. My family has a history of breast cancer and I was told to avoid anything with soy. Any suggestions or comments?
January 14, 2010
Barbara,
I don’t recommend consuming soy in large quantities, but the amounts in a K2 supplement is really negligible.
January 17, 2010
My understanding is that there is no soy in MK7 capsules even though it is made from natto beans. Will double check with manufacturer when I have more time.
February 15, 2010
I was under the impression that FERMENTED soy was okay to eat for both thyroid and breast cancer.
K2 (Natto) is a fermented soy.
January 14, 2010
Hi Vivian, thank you so much for all the excellent articles you send. It was good to know about vitamin k1 and k2. Your are terrific!!!
Thanks again
January 13, 2010
The use of broad spectrum probiotics decreased the clotting time for my patient who was taking anti-clotting drug. He was told to stop the probiotic supplements. i’ve read that probiotic use does produce Vit. K in the gut.
January 14, 2010
Great comment, George! Indeed, K2 is produced by intestinal bacteria (the friendly kind, of course), so what you write makes a lot of sense.
January 13, 2010
I go to my ospeoporosis doctor Thursday and would love to share this vitamin thing with her as I am on fosomax and she is wanting to do shots and I do not want them. I have heard to many side effects about them.
January 13, 2010
Thanks Vivian,
I love getting your e mails. My Calcium/Bone Density Support supplement has 125 mcg of K1 & K2. I’m glad it is in what I am already taking.
Thanks again for your research. It is a blessing.
January 16, 2010
Please can you share … what is your Calcium/Bone supplement ?
Thanks Jayne
January 13, 2010
Thanks for the information on Vitamin K. I eat most of those veges regularly. I was given Actonel for Paget’s Disease. Result was Atrial fibrillation then insertion of a Pacemaker. Now I have kidney failure and my specialist has me on Rocaltrol, Amiodarone and 100 mg Aspirin. I enjoy reading your articles.
January 13, 2010
Hi Vivian:
Again that you so much for the info re: Vit. K. I eat a lot of green vegetables and spinach is one of my favorites and so glad to hear that it is loaded with Vit K and good for my bones. You are doing a great job of keeping us all informed. Thanks a million!!!
Anne
January 13, 2010
I notice that you recommend 50mcg of K2 daily.
I take 5mg daily from (Carlson Labs). I was diagnosed with Osteopenia.
I am 64 and take a daily aspirin regimen, 81mg.as well as blood pressure meds.
Am I taking too much K2?
January 14, 2010
Michael,
My recommendation is the bare minimum, since we do synthesize K2 in the gut. However, you should not worry about taking 5 mg. Studies conducted in Japan on hemodialysis patients and osteoporotic women used very high pharmacologic doses, as high as 45 mg/day. In short, there is no toxicity with high doses of phylloquinone (vitamin K1) or menaquinone (vitamin K2) forms of vitamin K.
January 15, 2010
Thank you for answering my question about K2. I would like to ask one more.
My Dr. has me on 1200mg Calcium and 800IU vitamin D. The tablets are the Safeway brand. Is this brand okay for long term use for my Osteopenia?
Thank you in advance.
Michael
January 13, 2010
I take Vitamin K 100 mcg prescribed by my herbalist.
January 13, 2010
Hi Vivian, Thanks for info on K2. Recently had colicystitis, so feel nervous about taking calcium in case I make gall stones. Would K2 do instead? Monica Phillips Please reply
January 14, 2010
Hi Monica,
K2 is not a replacement for calcium; it helps bind calcium. Your solution is to follow the Save Our Bones Program and take low doses of organic calcium.You should consult with your doctor about this as well.
June 13, 2010
I would like to know if there is a Kosher form of organic calcium.
I would also like to know if there is any other method of receiving a reply from you.
January 13, 2010
Thank you for the vit. K information. To answer your question, I would not take a vit. K supplement as I presently believe that it would be too easy to overdue. I will try to consume more greens and I have added an occasional soft boiled egg to my diet. Eggs from range fed hens result in a bright orange yolk rich in vit. K2. Also, the tender dandelion greens found in the center of the plant are a rich source of vit. K2 as well. Unfortunately, I found the dandelion greens very bitter, but will try again by mixing them in a lettuce salad…and maybe a good salad dressing would help, too.
Thank, again,
Andrea
January 16, 2010
Thanks so much for sharing that. Eggs are such a simple source of vitamin K2.
January 17, 2010
There is only 0.1 mcg of K in one poached whole egg, right?
January 13, 2010
I have hypothroid condition for which I take levoxyl. I understand that soy products should not be used with this condition. As the K vitamin you recommend is derived from soy how will this work with my hypothyroid problem? Is it safe for me to use? My doctor pushes the Actonel, Boniva type medicines which I have tried and don’t like the side effects, and I take nothing like that now. I would appreciate your comments.
January 13, 2010
For reliable info on health issues like low thyroid, menopause, osteoporosis, adrenal fatigue…… try this web site.
womentowomen.com
Of course, add www. in front of womentowomen.com
January 14, 2010
Aline,
Hypothyroidism is a true epidemic right now. Synthroid is the second most prescribed drug in North America.
The major culprit may be water fluoridation. In the mid 1900′s, fluoride was used as a drug to slow down a hyperactive thyroid (exactly the opposite of what you have). It was stopped due to the terrible side effects it caused.
Don’t worry about the minuscule amounts of soy in the K2 but do worry about the fluoride in your water (if you live in a community that fluoridates and in your toothpaste and mouthwash).
January 13, 2010
Hello: Vitamin K2 can increase fibrinogen levels. What can I do to prevent this if I take Vitamin K2 for bone health? Thank you, Fran
January 14, 2010
Fran,
Fibrinogen levels do go up, but within normal physilogical ranges and with no adverse effects observed (Effect of continuous combined therapy with vitamin K2 and vitamin D3 on bone mineral density and coagulofibrinolysis function in postmenopausal women
Maturitas, Volume 41, Issue 3, Pages 211-221
T.Ushiroyama).
January 13, 2010
Thanks again for the update.
January 13, 2010
Hi Vivian,
I already eat spinach daily so I guess I am getting my share, plus other greens. Thanks for the interesting article.
January 13, 2010
I was diagnosed with pagets desease and given actonel tablets one a day for two months.I developed a very bad jaw condition which on the the internet said it was due to actonel and iriversable, is there anything i can do to relieve this pain, my doctor dos`nt want to know.Hope you can help.
January 13, 2010
Hi Vivian, This past September, my doctor was strongly urging me to take an annual infusion of Reclast. I had been following the recommendations in Bone Revolution for the past year and not taking any Fosamax or Actonel as I had over the past 15 years. I agreed to take the Reclast, but only if we did another bone scan to see how I was doing. To his amazement and total shock, I had increased my density by 10% following your recommendations. He wanted to know what I was doing to have this much improvement. I now have osteopenia in my spine and no small fractures and the density in my hips has improved. My diet is basically vegan which is primarily alkaline except in the evening when I eat a piece of fish or chicken. I am thrilled and love my new “diet”. I also take 3,000 milligrams of D3 per day along with calcium, magnesium & multiple vitamins. Thanks for the tip on vitamin K. I will research that further. Please give me your thoughts on Strontium. A close friend is taking it and claims it has increased her density. Thanks, Vivian!
January 13, 2010
Thank you very much for this latest important information. I am going today to get a Vit K2 supplement. Should we be taking strontium?
Thanks
Jackie
January 14, 2010
Fantastic, Carol! Keep up the great results and dedication to the Program.
February 25, 2010
What was your answer to her question on taking strontium?
January 13, 2010
Hello Vivian
Thank you for your article today, it is very interesting. Luckily I love all my fresh green veggies, so I guess I am getting enough of the vitamin “K” that you refer to. Thank you again, have a nice day.
Best wishes from Bonnie Scotland
Marysia
January 13, 2010
I have been taking a capsule containing Vitamins D3 and K2 for some time now. I take it at the same time as my calcium capsule. I also eat a lot of fresh green vegetables, so I hope this combination will contribute to my bone health.
January 13, 2010
prunes have all the necessary ingredients for bone growth. That is good enough for me along with the food I eat.
January 13, 2010
I was eating 8 prunes a day after reading about a study (printed in Readers Digest)that showed good results for growing bone. But then I was dismayed to see that prunes are in the acidifying column in Vivian’s book.So now I eat 4 apricots to each prune, in keeping with the 80/20 ratio.
P.S. I’m not consuming more than a couple of prunes daily now, because that would be a lot of dried fruit. Should I be concerned about the acidity of prunes when they are supposedly so beneficial to my bones?
January 13, 2010
I would be more concerned with the teeth. The acid and the sugars (more concentrated) from the dried fruits will take a toll on one’s teeth. In general, people who have issues with bones have weak teeth. I am not talking about tooth decay but the mineral status of the teeth. You know bones, teeth, skin require the same nutrients to be healthy. One more concern with teeth is the direct damage by acidity of food.
January 13, 2010
I take a warfarin dose of 7.5 milligram a day.
The doctors do not want me to take any foods
with vit K in it such as spinach etc. What am
I suposed to do?
Max
January 14, 2010
Max,
Here’s what happens. If you consume more vitamin K, it may counteract the anticoagulant effect of warfarin. So technically, your doctor would have to increase your warfarin dosage. Considering that warfarin is rat poison, that does not sound like a good idea, and your doctor knows it.
IMPORTANT INFORMATION:
Anyone taking warfarin might want to look into Vitamin E as a possible replacement. Tocopherols (Vitamin E) are not only antioxidants; they also have very potent blood thinning properties. You might want to discuss this possibility with your doctor.
I’m quoting here from the Linus Pauling Institute (http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminE/):
“Use of vitamin E supplements may increase the risk of bleeding in individuals taking anticoagulant drugs, such as warfarin (Coumadin); antiplatelet drugs, such as clopidogrel (Plavix) and dipyridamole (Persantine); and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), including aspirin, ibuprofen, and others. Also, individuals on anticoagulant therapy (blood thinners) or individuals who are vitamin K deficient should not take alpha-tocopherol supplements without close medical supervision because of the increased risk of hemorrhage.”
Below is a link to a good and very detailed article about blood thinners and natural solutions:
http://www.drlam.com/opinion/blood_thinners_and_nutritional_supplement.asp
It is highly unlikely that your doctor will replace warfarin with vitamin E, because Vitamin E is not a patentable prescription drug so ultimately, the decision will be up to you.
January 17, 2010
Taking vitamin E supplement is not a simple thing.
“The E complex is an eight-member family, composed of eight closely related vitamin E molecules (or “vitamers”): four tocopherols and four tocotrienols. Each member of the vitamin E complex has its own unique strengths, and even unique properties not shared with other E vitamers. If your “vitamin E” contains only alpha-tocopherol – or alpha tocopherol with token quantities of “mixed tocopherols” – you’re missing out on
the benefits of the “other” vitamin E molecules. But more than that: studies show that unbalanced alpha-tocopherol supplementation actually depletes the body of the other members of the family, and can negate many of their benefits!
After just one month of supplementing with 400 IU of alpha-tocopherol, peoples’ gamma-tocopherol levels are reduced by two-thirds. It may take as much as two years for the ratio of alpha- and gamma-tocopherol to normalize after unbalanced alpha-tocopherol supplementation is stopped!”
http://www.AOR.ca
January 17, 2010
About Dr. Lam’s article I will read it with a grain of salt. One N.D. pointed out an error.
January 13, 2010
Hello Vivian,
I hope Maybe you can tell me why , when I take anytype of K, I get Leg Cramps?
I can eat foods with K’s but not take the K, or K2 vitamins!!
All my blood tests show, everything is good..
I do have Osteoporosis, and I’m 67yrs..
I just bought a vitamix machine, so I can liquifiey my Veggies, and get everything good out of them.
Thank you , and Please reley.
April
January 13, 2010
Are you sure the k is related to the leg cramps, or are you doing enough stretches with your exercising if you are exercising, and if not then you should begin. Some times when people mix all these veggies in this machine or any mixing machine they will get stomach pains but it is not the machines fault, as you just can not mix a with b you have to follow the book. just a few comments. Same as taking the K
January 13, 2010
Hi there, you cramps are more likely caused by lack of magnesium or even calcium!
Vitamix are great I have one, be sure to mix alot of green leafys especially Kale.
I am Raw vegan I make Kale cisps alot have equivalent to half a bag a day! plus watercress etc. Plus you would be able to make yummy Almond milk too, bee sure to soak your almonds first! I have osteoperosis I’m only 32, . Make infusions of herbs Horsetail, nettle, oatstaw, lemongrass for bone buliding tea! Juice green veggies every day too!
Blessings! Ju
January 13, 2010
I agree. Probably Mg and Potassium deficiency.
VitaMix according to one Natural Hygenist/Chiropractor is a good machine.
One has to be sure about having enough zinc, L-Carnitine, etc. when one doesn’t eat meat.
January 13, 2010
I’m on aspirin and I’ve my doubts as expressed by others in their comments about combining vit.K and aspirin
January 13, 2010
Mualidharan, K
Asprin is NOT consitered a real Blood thiner..There is not connection between taking Aspirn, and K.
Btw, most adults in the Usa are taking 1,2 coated baby aspirin aday.
January 14, 2010
Check out my answer to Max.
January 13, 2010
While it is scientific to recommend vit.K, what about the 50+ people who are on aspirin and other blood thinning drugs?
Muralidahran, K
January 13, 2010
Vitamin K is not for everyone especially those on blood thinning medication.
Always do your own research and don’t just listen to others.
January 14, 2010
Yep; and research why you are taking blood thinners first!
January 13, 2010
Hi Vivian,
How about that your recommendations on vitamin K – good things to eat by the way (no pepper for me) is the same as the diet that I am currently on for gallbladder disease.
Have found that combining the above recommended foods with a 1/2 lemon in a glass of water (not tap or iced water) first thing in the morning appears to have a positive effect throughout the day. Note: have lost a bit of weight as well.
Have been juggling between the 2 types of food and drinks until now. What a relief.
January 13, 2010
Hi Vivian,
Thanks for the further information. It’s good to know that Vit. K is another helper in the bone density struggle. I have just checked out the bone strength formula and multivitamin formulas that I take, and no Vit K in either of them. However as I eat a lot of the greens you mentioned, hopefully I’ll get enought from them.
I’m doing my best at following the 80/20 ratio, but with temperatures in the 30s here in Queensland I do need to drink water.
Keep up the good work, we need you!
Have a great day, week, year!
Nancy
January 13, 2010
Thanks for Vita.K info. but will look for it. I am on BP medication and will be on Diabetes med. also hence too many tablets to swallow!! What can we do!! At old age ( after crossing 60) a person had to depend on all tablets and vitamins.. That’s life…
January 12, 2010
I have an 11 year old daughter that has been diagnosed with Osteopenia. She takes 1000 mg of calcium and 3000 IU of Vitamin D a day.
She has other health isues that is chalenge to balance. Do you have any sugestions? Is there a brand of calcium and vit D that you recomend.
Thanks Cindy
January 13, 2010
I live in England I take Kordells Bone formula, which is good easier to absorb by the body, it has all the nutrients need to make strong bones!
I would advise against taking anything with CALCIUM CARBONATE IN IT! need to balance it with magnesium! too much calcuim taken alone can cause CALCIFICATION! that can occur anywhere in the body, later in life. Make sure she eats plently of greens, make dressings made with Tahini, lemon, agave, nutrional yeast, little garlic, sesame oil, too disguise the taste. Alkaline diet is the best!
What other healthissues does she have?
Blessings
January 14, 2010
Cindy,
Watch out for the calcium supplement (it should be organic or amino acid chelated). I hope you and your daughter are following the Save Our Bones Program…
January 12, 2010
Thank you very much Vivian for the information.
I was diagnosed with osteoporosis and osteopena 3 years ago. I started taking actonel for more than a year. My M.D. daughter gave me the once a month dosage until I stopped it cause I noticed my bones became very stiff. I cannot bend and can’t pick up things dropped on the floor. I stopped taking Actonel and I continued my daily exercises at our YMCA, ate lots of veggies and fruits and drink purified water. I also take Calcium caltrate with Vit. D, K, Magnesium and Zinc. I take Fish Oil 3 times a day. I also take Multivitamins(one a day Women’s) which also have Vit. d, k, magnesium,zinc and other vitamins. Please let me know if the supplements I’m taking are good for my Cholesterol, blood pressure and my bones. I was diagnosed with symptoms of athritis in my groins. Inspite of the pains, I continued my daily exercises, swimming, biking, walking, aerobics and weight lifting.
Your book helped me. Thank you.
January 14, 2010
Great! You’re on the right track, Erlinda.
January 12, 2010
Is this a supplement I should be taking as I am estrogen sensitive and have had a lumpectomy?
January 14, 2010
Vitamin K has no known connection to estrogen, Shirley.
January 17, 2010
No need to worry about K supplement and estrogen.
BUT, eating natto beans for K2 may be a different story. The soy from the beans may have a negative impact on estrogen????
Comments welcome.
January 12, 2010
vivian, my wife was diag w/osteoporosis and i went behind her back and orderded your books and have been gradually giving her suppliments you have recomended along with these i have been giving her coQ10. at her last doctor visit he stated her magnesium level was remarkedly improved. I will start giving her a K suppliment also. I love her dearly and she will not beleive a doctors meds could hurt her in any way. god bless
January 14, 2010
Dan,
You are a very special husband! Please tell your wife that I recommend she should keep you
January 12, 2010
Vivian, I just read your article on Vitamin K2 for Osteoporosis and Osteopenia, of which I am aware. What I would like to know is this: if one is taking blood thinning supplements like fish oils and tumeric, does Vitamin K2 interact with these supplements the same as it supposedly does with blood-thinning drugs? Is is safe to take both kinds of supplements? I’d appreciate an answer. Thank you.
January 14, 2010
Helen,
Check out my answer to Max.
EVERYONE: don’t forget to use the Search option at the very top of the Save Our Bones page.
January 12, 2010
Ireally appreciate all your information and
the comments. Thankful that someone is brave
enough to buck the traditional approach!
Blessings your way !
January 12, 2010
I was taking Vit. K2 years ago, then stopped because it was just one more pill to swallow. I’m sorry I stopped. Because for the past couple months, I’ve been taking a 50 mcg. gel cap daily and I can feel the difference. (The amount used in the research that was effective was 45 mcg. Perhaps this is mentioned in one of the links.)
January 12, 2010
I don’t feel the need to take vitamin K.I think that I get enough K from my diet. I was prescribed etidrocal but I have chosen NOT to take it.I am trying to incorporate an 80/20 alkaline/acidic diet as much as possible and I supplement with calcium(1600 mg.)a day,mostly
from supplements and soy beverage.I also take 3500 iu’s of Vitamin D as well as a product called Bone Basics which I get supplied from my local health food store.Since I have taken Actonel and Aclasta, I have decided to discontinue bisphosphonates altogether.The reason for discontinuing bisphosphonates altogether is due to my loss of ” THREE teeth” during the 3 year time frame of being on them.The gums became infected around each tooth and it was advised to have the affected teeth extracted. They have been extracted but, I am NO LONGER taking bisphosphonates.I am very happy about MY DECISION.Thank you for your book ‘The bone health revolution’.
January 14, 2010
Smart!
January 12, 2010
Hi Vivian, just received your latest email regarding vitamin K. My question is this:I had breast cancer,diagnosed in 1992 and the most likely cause was HRT. I had been on that for quite a few years after my hysterectomy. I have been told never to take anything with soy in it. Should I take Vt. K2?
Thanks for your reply.
Ria
January 12, 2010
Vivian, you do a grand job of keeping us informed. Ubiquinol is interesting but I wonder if I”m overdoing the supplements? For osteoarthritis I take Collagen and Fish Oil. For Osteoporosis I take everything!Bone Support formula, extra calcium and magnesium, Vitamin B complex, Vitamin K, selenium and zinc. Also Vit D3 as we get more rain than sun in bonny Scotland. Would Ubiquinol be overload? My diet is very bone friendly but I dont trust the nutritive quality of food now. Pearl
January 14, 2010
Pearl,
You’re doing the right thing… keep it up (and take ubiquinol).
January 12, 2010
I have been a bit concerned, because I have K2 in a calcium supplement that I have been taking, and I am also on aspirin therapy. I am just not sure how much aspirin would counteract the effects of K2. A year ago I was told I had osteoporosis and needed actonel right away. I took one pill with many side effects. I have been using your natural approach this year and my bone density has shown a very slight increase. I have been given one more year before the doctor plans to recommend a scipt again. I am doing all I can to bring it up naturally, and plan to continue. I had open heart surgery 3 years ago, so the aspirin therapy is necessary.
January 13, 2010
Vitamin K2 is not for everyone especially those on blood thinning medication or Aspirin.
There are many bone health supplements without vitamin K. Wonder why you don’t switch to those.
January 12, 2010
I have not been taking Vitamin K, but will purchase it tomorrow and take it daily. Thank you so much for your input. Jerry Laufer
January 12, 2010
Thank you so much for sharing the Vit. K information. It will be added to my list of vitamins I take daily.
January 12, 2010
I am taking MK-7, one a day. And I hope it works! How does one prove that it works?
I’m glad to have this chat available. Thanks.
January 12, 2010
Thanks for the info. I eat fresh green organic vegetables every day. I know vitamins are absorbed better when they are in the food one eats. The multivitamin I take has K in it.
January 12, 2010
I would just like to say to please research any drug your doctor prescribes to you for osteo. Every one that I have researched so far except for Forteo actually stops your natural process of building new bone. Then they make your brittle bones harder which naturally weighs a little bit more so they show up as more dense and we think something good is happening but it is not. Forteo does not destroy the natural process of building bone but the side effect is bone cancer. Who wants that!!! I honestly believe we are what we eat.
January 13, 2010
I would also add – do your own research on any vitamin/mineral recommended to you by any healthcare professional. The supplements are not much different from drugs although less side effects. One has to know one’s condition before deciding what to take and how much. Food, preferably organic, should always be first choice. Please don’t buy cheap supplements which are usually poor quality.
January 14, 2010
Amen!
January 13, 2010
I say we are what we digest and absorb and not just what we eat.
January 12, 2010
Yes, I did take actonel the monthly dosage for 2 months and started researching. The more I read about the symptoms and side affects from taking a drug prescribed medication and having side affects while taking it I decided to go the natural route. I have been taking a raw calcim type natural capsules which have 1,600 iu and vit. k2 100mcg along with magnesium vit. c and vit. D. I love your site and thank you for all the information especially the diet info to help.
January 12, 2010
Thanks for the info about vit. K. Since following your advise, I have really researched healing my osteo with food. I have found that sodium, chlorine and iron are necessary for our bodies to build our bones back with the ‘clast and ‘blast process you describe. Sodium can be gotten from spinach – hence the vitamin k – strawberries and carrots. Chlorine can be obtained from cabbage and sauerkraut. I have not found the best source for iron, yet. I think raisins might be it. I also just discovered that gelatin, like Jello, is 48% calcium.
January 13, 2010
I stay away from raisins for the rest of my life. You can eat raisins if you already have dentures. Talk to a dentist or do proper research before you eat raisins regularly.
January 12, 2010
Vivian-Thank you for your constant effort to help us eat the right diet and take the correct supplements to prevent further bone loss. I am exercising with the National Osteoporosis Foundation CD, walking an hour and a half, taking the recommended supplements and TRYING to eat a diet you recommend daily. IS THERE A BLOOD TEST THAT WILL SHOW THE PH LEVEL IN MY BODY TO SEE IF I AM IN BALANCE? Please respond. Pat Miller
January 12, 2010
If you ask me, I’ll do saliva or urine test for pH.
http://www.indigo.com/Test-Strips/pH-test-strips.html
January 12, 2010
Hi Vivian,
Thank you for passing along this great information. I currently enjoy all these V-K enriched foods and will add Vitamin K supplements to my daily routine.
As always, your support and steady stream of updates is so appreciated.
Happy New Year!
Thank you so much!
Celestina Marie
January 12, 2010
Thanks for information about vitamin K. will definitely increse my green veg intake. I do take extra vitamin D and caltrate daily. However I’m always hesitant to take all vitamins.
January 12, 2010
I do as a matter of fact eat spinach regularly. it is a staple in our house. Nice to know it is something good for bone health. Thanks for all the good info.
January 12, 2010
Thanks, V. Sounds like a good plan.
Lee
January 12, 2010
I was doing all the ‘right’ things and taking all the right supplements which kept my osteoporosis stable without taking meds.
Now I have been diagnosed with Multiple Myeloma and am recovering from multiple compression fractures in my vertebrae. As part of my treatment my oncologist has me on Zometa once a month. That is supposed to strengthen my bones and hopefully to prevent further compression fractures.
January 12, 2010
I find this interesting, but readers may also want to look at this article -
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminK/
I believe it would be worth discussing with your doctor before starting to take vit K
January 12, 2010
I am taking OsteoK supplement, which is big doses of K2 as MK4. What I need to know, is, does it matter if you are taking it as MK4 or MK7? I’m confused. also taking calcium, D, magnesium and strontium.
I asked my Dr. about Vit. K as therapy, and she snapped “Not FDA Approved”. I felt like saying, “So????????” Wish I would have!
Thanks!
January 12, 2010
http://www.aor.ca/assets/public/promotional/Vitamin%20K%20Explanation_Advances.pdf
January 12, 2010
You do know that strontium must be taken a couple of hours away from calcium?! 5 mg of strontium maybe okay with calcium but not more.
January 14, 2010
How about you skip the strontium altogether? It does not belong in bones and because strontium is denser than calcium, it distorts the DEXA results.
January 17, 2010
I have refused to take Strontium Citrate all this time.
I am thinking of skipping DEXA too. Not sure the radiologist knows how to decipher the results.
January 14, 2010
Deb,
I wonder if you were able to keep a straight face?? Your story is one of the funniest I heard lately, but very sad at the same time…
January 12, 2010
Thank you for each and every little tip that you send! Is there any conflict with taking calcium, magnesium, and K2 along with Osteo-Biflex that I take for my stiff joints?
January 12, 2010
Debbie, in my research I have found that stiff joints are a deficiency of sodium and celery is the best souce for it for your joints. It neutralizes acids and is a good blood cleanser. Sodium is the one element that most people lack.
January 17, 2010
Can you point me to the research please?
Sodium???
Yes, vit. D, Zn, Mg deficiency
January 12, 2010
I take Progena’s OsteoPlus, which has only 0.05 mg of Phytonadione (synthetic K1, according to Wikipedia). However, I eat broccoli, green beans, and/or red leaf lettuce daily.
January 12, 2010
Am already taking vitamin k2
January 12, 2010
Your articles are very informative.My doctor wanted me to take Actonel, but I refused.I want to use multivitamins and diet instead. I checked the Shaklee multivitamin that I am taking and was pleased to note that it contains 80 mcg of Vitamin K.
January 12, 2010
I will definitely increase my intake of greens as you advise, I will ask my doctor about taking a Vitamin K tablet daily.