
For my 10th birthday, my parents gave me a hardcover edition of Aesop's Fables, and I fell in love with the entertaining tales. All the while my young, impressionable mind absorbed the morals that came with every story.
One of my favorites was the story of the fox and the cat. The wiley old fox was bragging to the cat about how clever he was, “I have a whole bag of tricks, and it contains at least a hundred ways of escaping my enemies.” The cat came back with, “I have only one, but I can generally manage with that.”
Just then, a pack of hounds descended on the pair. The cat quickly jumped onto a tree and hid herself in the branches, saying, “This is my plan.” Meanwhile, the fox was thinking. Pondering his hundred different methods for evading the hounds, confused and scattered and discarding one plan after another. While the fox was sorting through all the plans, the hounds caught up with him and he was soon killed by the huntsmen.
The moral, as voiced by Miss Puss:
“Better one safe way than a hundred on which you cannot reckon.”
That stuck with me, and in my journey for natural bone health, I've applied The Fox and Cat Principle.
Are You Like the Cat or Like the Fox?
Do you find a course that works and stick with it, or are you constantly leaping from one solution to the next, never confident how to proceed?
It's certainly easy to be swayed. There will always be an article proclaiming that what you believe to be true is in fact not true, and there will always be a new “expert” who will come along and give you all the reasons why.
Indeed, there are alternative ways to approach most situations, and your bone health is no exception. In that sense, the fox had a point. The danger is that while you're pondering all the different approaches, life is moving on, and you're not taking action.
Ever heard of “analysis paralysis”? Here's one of the best descriptions I've seen: “Analysis paralysis is where you can’t make any forward progress because you bog yourself down in details, tweaking, brainstorming, research and … anything but just getting on with it.” If ever there was a classic case of analysis paralysis, Aesop's fox had it.
Create Your “Bone Health Philosophy”
But… even at that point, there are traps for the perfectionist.
If you've chosen to go with the Osteoporosis Reversal Program, you could still get bogged down. A true perfectionist is likely to think, “If I can't do everything in the program perfectly, I may as well not try at all. I'd better get everything in place, make sure I have all the foods and understand their composition… I injured my ankle and can't work with weights the way Vivian recommends, so I'll have to wait to get started until my ankle heals… Oh, and Vivian writes about the benefits of grapefruit, but I'm on a medication that interacts with grapefruit, so I can't eat it. Hmmm, better wait until I’ll know what to do about grapefruit before I start the program.”
Here's the thing. You don’t have to follow everything all the time in the Osteoporosis Reversal Program to succeed in your natural bone health quest. You don’t have to be perfect! The Actions outlined in the Osteoporosis Reversal Program are so powerful and effective that even if you follow only a handful you’ll be doing marvelous things for your bones. And those few Actions can have amazing bone health benefits that will change your life for the better.
Let’s take a look at a few examples.
- If you eat a few meals that are not perfectly balanced… just get back to the plan without kicking yourself.
- If you're worried about getting the exact proportions of each meal right… stop worrying! You don't have to weigh and measure. Just eyeball your plate and shoot for an approximate balance by volume. And don't worry about getting each meal perfectly balanced every day of the week. On occasion, you can think in terms of balancing your intake on a daily basis, rather than meal by meal.
- If you absolutely can't do without your 3-latte-a-day habit (for now, anyway)… that doesn't mean that you can't improve your bone health. Follow as much of the program as you can. And gradually work on making changes to that latte habit. Perhaps substitute almond or soy milk for the regular milk, cut back from two shots of espresso per drink to one, then cut back to two lattes instead of three, and so on.
- If you can't do an exercise I show you due to injury or because you're out of shape or for any other reason… don't stress about it. You can either modify the exercise or find other ways to achieve the same result.
- When I talk about the benefits of a particular food, that doesn't mean you need to eat it every day… In almost every case, it's just one of many bone healthy foods that you can include in your diet. It's more important to eat a varied diet rather than to focus on one particular food. And if you're allergic or simply don't like one of the foods on my lists, just don't eat it! There are plenty of others to choose from.
- And here's the best part…
Worrying Less about the Details is Good for Your Bones
As I explain in the Osteoporosis Reversal Program, stress can hurt your bones because it activates cortisol secretion, and cortisol negatively affects bone density. So if you happen to be a perfectionist, now you have a great reason to let go!
The bottom line is that you don't have to do everything that's in the Program to improve your bone health.
So relax, do the best you can, and you'll reduce your stress and improve your bone health at the same time. And remember, you don't have to be “purr-fect” but be more like the cat.
To your bone health success!


I too am interested in your comments about using plain keifer.
Your story about the fox and the cat was very encouraging to me. I tend to want to do everything just the right way and get bogged down when I fail. Thank you for the words of encouragement to keep on keeping on!
Dear Vivian,
Good advice. I enjoy all of your e-mails.
Hi Viv:
Another great bone philosophy that I love is:
Reach for the Moon, if you fall, your still
amongst the Stars. Thanks for all the great
emails. Allison***
Great quote, Allison! Thanks for sharing it.
It is expensive.
Thanks for all of your information Vivian… I
appreciate all of it.
I always told my children, “Do the best you can with what you got.”
I was getting nervous when trying to keep up with all of the information on what to eat, etc., so I told my husband, that’s it… I am doing the best I can and that is IT !!! I am now enjoying eating and knowing that I am doing the best I can… So far, so good…
Blessings… Elizabeth W.
Has anyone had any experiences with vibrating machines? I have been using one for awhile now and my latest bone density test showed that my spine was now in the normal zone (which is great) however, my hips are way worse.
Can anyone tell me the best calcium supplement with vitamin D and magnesium
Best calcium (in Australia, perhaps elsewhere?) is ‘AdvaCal’ Hydroxyapatite as Calcium Citrate with Boron, containing Cal.234 mg magnesium (as oxide heavy)112.7 mg,Zink (as amino acid chelate)3.2 mg, Manganese (as amino acid chelate)1 mg, Copper (as gluconate) 22o micgr, holecalciferol (vitamin D 1oo IU,)Phytomenadiore (vitamin .K)5 micgr.,Silicone (as silica-colloidal anhydrous)7.26 mg,Boron (as Borax) 1 mg.
The Hydroxyapatite is from, bone sources!
Made in Australia by BioCeuticals.IDEAL COMPOSITION
My bone density after one year of “Arimidex” which depletes calcium from bones, my bone density is STRONGER, thanks to info by Vivian Goldschit, my self-responsibility and the “Advacal”
I’m still taking the daily arimidex – is this OK?
I stopped the Fosimax about 6 weeks ago and feel much better – my cheeks are no longer sticking to my teeth – yuck!!!
I go to see the Oncologist on Tuesday. I wonder if I’ll have a fight
Sheila
How do I buy this calcium that you mentioned?
I stopped taking the daily injections of FORTEO 3 weeks ago, after being on it 18 mo. Dr. allows only 24 mo because of danger.
But my osteoporosis was/is very bad.
I take 15oo mg calcium (shews) with D & K.
I do yoga 2 tiems a week & walk a mile 4 tiems a week.
I injured my back 18 mo. ago & broke 2 vertabra,& have some back ache at times.
OSteoporosis scares me so much & I want to get strong bones again.
suggestions?
IF Vivien is reading, please also recommend anything.
My nutritionist reccommended this to me.
Cal Mag Plus Vitamin D2 by Priority One Nutritional Supplements, Inc. http://www.priorityonevitamins.com
It is working well for me.
There is a liquid out now with all three,calcium,magnesium and Vit.D. The brand name is Prairie Naturals. I just purchased some today at my Health Food Store. I have been using it for a few months, and I also take 1000 1000 iu.s a day.
I live in Canada
There is a liquid with cal/mag/Vit.D {all three) in it. the company is called “Prairie Naturalls”. I am in Canada. i have been using that for a few months and I also take 1000 IUs of vit. D. I broke my hip two years ago and had a full hip replacement and am doing fine. I also had been on Fosamax the other one that you mentioned Vivian. I got side affects from both of them and I promptly stopped them and am now just on what I said above here as well as Stem Enhance to stir up my stem
cells in my bone marrow. i am 80 years young and otherwise healthy Praise God for that!
Macca, here’s what I recommend:
https://saveourbones.com/confused-about-calcium-read-this/
Thanks Vivian for email.This is underful.. Love,
Hi! Vivian,
I Guess Right Now, I’m More Like The Fox. But I’m Going To Try To Be More Like The Cat! Wish Me GOOD LUCK! WILL YOU?
LOVE, MS. L.
I have a problem with my esophagus called Achalasia which I have to control by taking Prilosec. I know Prilosec is terrible for my bones but if I don’t take it (or an equivalent), disphaagia prevents me from eating. What can I do to control GERD — I don’t eat spicy or fried foods but I stll get Gerd. (I sleep with my head elevated.
I don’t know if this will help you but I started getting acid reflux; turned out I was lactose intolerant. Can’t take cows milk any was but stopped even being able to have goats/sheeps milk. Stopped the milk and the reflux went away along with the pain in my big toe joint.
Your problem, I believe, is too much acid in your system. Going on an alkaline diet will remove all these problems. Gerd and acid reflux is amongst many of the problems associated with too much acid. A naturopath will be able to make you up a diet which will reduce all these symptoms. Acid Reflux is also from too much acid.
Frances
Vivian: I really liked this email today as it hit home for me. I stress out so much about everything especially what I eat. Thanks for reminding me to back off being the perfectionist and just take one day at a time. ma************@***oo.com
Yes, one day at a time… and let’s not worry so much about the future, so we can enjoy the “NOW” 🙂
I had always been a perfectionist until I fractured my back. Pain can make you do things different. I always exercised religiously, buy after the fracture when I did not feel like it, I procrastinated. Now I know I have to do what is good for osteoporosis, so if I need to vacuum or do other chores, I now know they can wait, so I exercise. I have learned I can’t fit everything in so I have changed.
Vivian, Loved your article today!!!! Thanks for your good sound advice and it really makes sense. Thanks again
Vivian,
I have not purchased your book yet, since I have a few other issues that I need to work around. I have tried Fosomax and Boniva and had reactions to both of those. I just recently tried the new nasal spray calcitonin-salmon. but have developed side effects, so have discontinued that also. I’m on my own now trying to save what bone strength I have left. I have osteopenia. I am also hypoglycemic. I read your information regarding milk and now have a dilemma. I use a lot of daily products, skim milk, yogart, fat free cottage cheese, and cheese. The lactose breaks down slower and helps my blood sugar from dropping. I do not eat anything that breaks down quickly into glucose, such as potatoes, rice, bread, pasta, corn, etc. I am only allowed 2 fruits a day. I usually eat apples or blueberries when they are in season. I do not eat sweets or anything with sugar, or breaks down to sugar. My diet is mainly higher protein and lower carbs, with some fruits, vegetables and almonds. I have too much insulin. The reverse of being diabetic. What ever I put into my mouth that has sugar or breaks down to sugar (glucose), sends a message to my pancreas to produce more insulin. As a result, my blood sugars run low most of the time.
With this in mind, would your book still work for me?
Thank you,
Melba
Hi Vivian,
I have been diagnosed with osteopenia and osteoperosis. When given a 24 urine test it showed that I was releasing too much calcium from my kidneys and they put me on HCTZ to flush the kidneys. I had some terrible side effects from it after 3 weeks, so I stopped. Is there anything else I can take that will flush the kidneys and help me to absorb calcium into my bones?
I need an answer to this also, as I have been diagnosed with hypercalciuria (spilling too much calcium from the bones). Please let us know how we can absorb calcium better!
take a tea made out of parsley
I’ve been on the Program for about 4 weeks, not following it completely, but making small changes. Mostly, I’ve stopped drinking tap water and got a filter jug and I’m eating more alkaline foods than i used to. I’ve just noticed that my fingernails aren’t splitting as they used to – in fact, my nails are long and stronger than I’ve ever seen them! Could i really be making a difference so soon?
Why not? Anything is possible! If you fertilize a plant, don’t you notice an improvement within a few days? Believe in your bones, and believe in yourself, Feona 🙂
very good advice,Vivian, I to will apply the fox and cat principal, it makes sense, I would assume it could apply to any area of your like, thanks for your sound advice, Mary
I’m waiting for delivery of the book I ordered…can hardly wait to start reading…
I LOVED this article! Thank you. I can get discouraged when I can’t do it all just right, so this is just what I needed to hear.
Thank you!
This is about the photo of the fox and the cat. What a beautiful cat!! Is it a Maine Coon Cat? I had a Maine Coon cat that looked very much like the one in the photo. He was killed by two dogs in the summer of 1953. He was the smartest cat — when he crossed the road, he would stop and look both ways before he walked across. He was a wonderful cat, and even when I see a picture of a cat like him, it brings back memories.
Dear Vivian,
I enjoy reading your e-mails, they’re all very educational,I will fallow the advice of the fox and the cat,thanks for sharing it.
Blessings,
Daphne.
Thank you again – I more or less follow your line of cutting back on bad habits, though they are still there, gradually reducing them.
Found out today that I have high blood pressure (used to be low) and I am reading that it often goes hand in hand with post menopause and/or osteoporosis, so wondering if others have similar finding.
Please stop recommending soy milk—soy juice is not a milk equivalent! Unfermented soy, which is most of the stuff available in the US, is poison and is genetically modified to boot.
Don’t believe me — check out:
and
He also has a good article on biophosphonates that you can show your doctor the next time s/he tries to push these drugs to you:
I agree! Soya “milk” etc is rubbish! – and possibly addictive even, not least of all as it can become a daily habit as can dairy.
Plus i’m sorry the name of the individual you are talking about has not come up here. If it was censored out i believe that was unnecessary, unless this site is all about promotion of a “business”.
A couple week ago, when trying out my new bike, the seat was too high, and over I went. My first thought was………….how many bones have I broken? None……….just a few cuts and scrapes, and a sore thumb, which is gradually healing. Does this mean that I don’t have osteoporosis??perhaps I have turned it around??? I have even wondered if the tests are rigged so that you’ll take the medication, out of fear.
I love your stories and encouragement. I have been going with your approach in this Email for myself. Its good to have it validated as a productive way to think. I tend to be a perfectionist but have been learning to lighten up. Maybe that will help my bones too!
Enjoy your e-mails and all the good information. My daughter and I are using
the program and will continue. Hope it will
help my bone density score
Madelyn
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I enjoyed the analogy of the fox and the cat, and find your advice very helpful in not being too prescriptive about following the exercise/diet rigidly. I stopped taking Fosamax after only 6 weeks due to the adverse effects and now have been put onto Calcium + D3 supplements, but I also take plenty of exercise and eat a diet with magnesium, vitamin k and calcium rich veg and nuts. Hoping all of this will save me from any bone weakening, despite being on long term Prednisolone(for an auto-immune disease). Keeping well currently and leading a happy active life. Thanks for all your help and advice.
I really enjoy ALL of your GREAT EMAILS. They
are very encouraging.
Thankyou very much
Thanks Vivian – How timely this e-mail was. Sometimes, I just don’t know what to do. I heard on the Dr. Oz’s show we should have a cup of coffee very day because it benefits the brain in regard to dementia and memory loss. This runs in our family. When I have coffee I feel guilty knowing it’s affecting my done density and need to take more calcium immediately to counter act it. I just started using almond milk thinking the calcium in that would be better. Now I read the comment above on almond milk which was very discouraging. I don’t know what to do. Please help.
I think you misread the one on milk. It is soy milk the culprit not almong milk
sorry almond nont almong!!!!
Nutrition Action Health Letter had a recent article on almond milk…….saying it was mostly water. A cup of almond milk has just 1 gram – far less than the 8 to 9 grams of protein in a cup of cow’s milk (or the 6 to 8 grams in a cup of soy milk). How come? A cup of almond milk is made from about 4 nuts and mostly water with enough evaporated cane juice to supply about 2 tsp. of added sugar per cup.
What is your comment on this???
Thank you, KP
Check the nutritional facts on the containers you purchase – here in Canada nutritional labels are a requirement. I use Almond Breeze by Blue Diamond Growers – their unsweetened Original version. You are correct that the protein in 1 cup is only 1g however their is 0g of sugar and the amount of calcium in 1 cup is 20% of your daily requirement which is very high. Also other daily requirements include Magnesium (8%), Vit E (15%), Phosphorus (4%),and Iron (2%). So when you look at the overall nutrition it is very high. So my suggestion is use it for some excellent nutrition especially the calcium & magnesium and get your protein from other foods – daily protein requirements are easy to get. The best thing anyone can do is learn how to read labels. Not all products are created equal. This brand also has 2 other Almond Milks they make and both have sugar – I opt of the zero sugar. Hope this helps.
make your own in a vita mixer machine
Very good advice, I love your book.
Loved the story! Wondering what is the best organic plant derived calcium that can be found over hte counter? Thanks so much. Nancy
never saw your reply to my question: Where do I get organic calcium?
This was the most affirming e-mailing I have had from you in the 4 months I have been on the Save Our Bones diet. Everything seems so mandatory that I feel guilty if I have that glass of wine or have a “real” cup of tea. I try to do my best and for the first time I feel as if I am, just doing my best, without getting hung up on all the voodoo.
Hi Karin, I have to drink a glass of wine everyday on dr.advice. I am still doing that before my dinner. It calms me down even with a reflux. I don’t take any tablets my whole live very rarely a Panamax=Panadol without the coating. Also I have 2 small cups of coffee one with a tiny bid of milk the other with boiled water and a teaspoon of honey. I am doing that for years at least 13 years. Before I never drunk any alcohol. Enjoy 1 glass of red wine Karin,but read Vivian’s book also and get idea’s – it’s really interesting.
Hi Vivian 🙂
Thank for todays story. I agree wholeheartedly. Find one great method that suits you and stick to it. To me, you can’t go wrong.
best wishes
Marysia
Thanks Vivian! I had come to the same conclusion recently. I am a full time student at age 54. I have a fmaily as well. I have so much “on my plate” and it is hard to always eat every meal balanced because I have to carry every meal with me when I’m not home. I need to eat often or I lose weight and my hypoglycemia gets the best of me. I do not have thyroid problems but do tend to have a higher metabolism than some other peopel. I have followed the diet strictly for over a year. Now being in school has added more to my plate. I am doing the best I can trying to balance food, exercise and taking time to get rid of stress and regain sanity as well as keep up with school. I have slipped some in my diet but I have stopped berrating myself for it. I just keep on trying to do my best with it all. it takes a lot of time driving to places that sell organic alkalizing foods since I don’t live near any of those kinds of stores. Some times I make do with the “same old”, “same old” and then just go nuts and have to eat something else which usually doesn’t include anything alkalinizing since I don’t always have time to drive to get it. I am an explorer and can’t handle the “same old” for very long. Finding items on the alkalinizing list nearby is limited. But still, I keep on trying.
Keeping your body alkaline is not as difficult as it seems so try not to stress out about it. Most alkaline forming foods can be found close to home in supermarkets. A Chinese medicine Dr in our city says that you can create an alkaline body within 30 days by drinking lemon in hot water each morning when you awake – can’t remember if it is the juice of 1/4 or 1/2 a lemon – but it must be from fresh lemons (not the lemon juice in a bottle). You can also purchase PH paper or strips from many pharmacies (or order off the internet – probably more $’s) and test your PH balance at any time. Ideal PH balance is 7.35-7.45 so you are looking to have a PH strip test come in at 7. The PH paper/strips will come with a PH color/number chart. You simply put the strip into your mouth for a couple of seconds, take out & within 30 seconds it will turn color according to your body’s PH level. You may test your saliva or test your urine – the results will be the same. This way you will know where you are and don’t have to stress about it. Once you have your PH balanced it will be quite easy to maintain and/or re-balance.
I check my pH each morning before breakfast. Is it necessary to check it more than once a day? I am going to order strips that are more accurate from Amazon.com. but I seem to be in the alkaline range each morning.
I have been using the plan for a year, after I had a significant loss of bone. I saw a doctor that was not easy to work with and tried Boniva once, got very sick and did not take any more. I continued on the Save our bones plan the best I could. I found a better doctor and I had a new bone scan this month and I was so pleased with the results. I did not build bone, but I did not lose bone! For me that is a victory and tells me I am on the right track. Thank you!!
Sounds like that fox had A.D.D.
I loved the Cat and Fox analogy, you write well and so encouragingly. Like the Nike ad – it is a case of just do it, find a way that suits and just do it! ALL of what you write makes sense, so ANY of it will help. Thankyou.
Are there any (bone) benefits to drinking Kirfir instead of milk?
Hi Vivian,
Loved your article today! Common sense is the most valuable commodity that we have today. If only we could apply it to everything we do in life. I’m so glad you brought that out today.
Gerri D.
I was taking Fosamax & then I ordered your book. I was appalled reading about the ingredients in Fosamax. I am no longer taking Fosamax [I started to have side effects] I am following the examples stated in your book. I am also researching the best Calcium supplement. I am only so sorry that I took the medication, I only hope I haven’t done too much damage to my bones the past 5 years. I am even doubting whether I even had Osteoporosis in the first place. Thank you for educating me.
Does anyone have any information on MCHC (calcium hypoxytate)? Is it absorbed better than the standard calcium supplements? Thanks.
Hi. Does anyone have an opinion on the supplement “Bone Maximizer III” by MRM? It uses MCHC. I have ulcerative colitis and am not sure if I am absorbing calcium and other nutrients well as my bone density scores just keep going down.
I do not know, but if you find out I would love to know. I have taken some MSM products and they are great.
Brenda, what I’ve learned on any of these multi-supplements for the bones is to make sure they don’t contain strontium. It is a wonderful and effective mineral for bone growth, but should be taken 2 or 3 hours apart from taking calcium which is of course in all the multi-supplement bone growth formulas. (I take it in the middle of the night when I get up to use the bathroom.)
After going on this mineral plus Vivian’s program, I gained back 9.6% bone mineral density in my lumbar spine in just 13 months!
Brenda,
When you had your DEXA test taken did you tell her/him who was taking your test, you where taking Strontium? Some tec’s can adjust the Dexa machine for it.
Strontium gives a False reading. It can show an improvement in your bones, just like Fosamax can, and the other drugs.
Although, I do know that Strontium can be bought over the counter in the USA, where I live.
In Europe, its a perscription, like anyother Osteoporosis drug.
I had side effects taking it, although It has been good for allot of people.
The reason you should not take Strontium with Calcium, is they both compete at the same time. It should be taken 3 hours apart.
Would you share what else you where doing/Taking for your Osteoporosis for 13 months before taking the test?
Thanks
What about MCHC – is it good or not?
Do you think it is okay to use Strontium? I thought it was not a good choice?
I have not been able to stop identifying with the story of the fox and cat, I feel like a mixture of them, see an alternative and immediately follow it but then find one other that rejects the previous one and left the one that was followed and take another, it`s crazy.
Sergio
I am wondering why you sometimes recommend soy milk? I have read various articles saying that soy is bad because of it’s interaction with estrogen. I don’t remember all the details right now, but I know I have seen many articles recommending people NOT use soy products. And soy is especially bad for boys/men since it can actually feminize them. I am extemely interested in your opinion about this subject.
Plant estrogens (phytoestrogens) such as soy are actually beneficial. The meat and dairy industries don’t want you to know this, so they pay for “studies” to be done to scare people away from buying soy. We have estrogen receptor sites all over our bodies. Soy consumption blocks those sites so that the harmful estrogens can’t be absorbed. Asian countries have the highest rate of soy consumption and also the lowest incidence of hormonal cancers and heart disease. You can’t trust the negative reports on soy.
There is a big controversy out there on Soy & Soy products so I think everyone needs to make their own decision on this one. Apparently over 90% of Soy is genetically modified so it depends on how you feel about genetic modification. Also a medical book I have says that if you have hypothyroid (under-active) conditions you should not eat Soy products. If you have hyperactive (over-active)thyroid conditions then Soy is a good product. If this is true as my medical book states I do not know why it is not a better known fact since a huge percentage of women in North America have thyroid problems especially hypothyroid and they may be adding negatively to this problem by eating soy.
I think is ok is it’s fermented, if not it’s an antinutrient and hormone disruptor. Its one of the top 8 allergens and is highly processed to make it into the finished milk/cheese/tofu items.I think products like fermented soy sauce and natto are fine.
I too question about soy and estrogen=breast cancer
Vivian, I really enjoyed your email about the fox and the cat principle. It makes a lot of
sense, not only on saving our bones, but on all aspects of life. Thank you again! Dotty
I read all of your emails & found them all quite interesting. Keep up the good work of imforming us how to protect our bones. Thankyou. Gladys Kelly
I loved the advice you gave in this email – I guess we all tend to worry about following recommendations exactly but it is common sense as you have suggested to stop stressing about doing the right thing all of the time.
Vivian : Thanks again for new research and re-
commended natural alternative treatments. I am
still using the heel and jump exercise and I feel lighter also. I read somewhere that cucum-
ber is also good for osteoporosis.
Keep up the good work. I never had a chance to
download the material that went along with the
book I ordered that maybe valuable to read also
because I am always busy, but I have so much
email information for alternative treatments.
Julie